Fountain Valley — 2024-04-02

1. CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS\nPursuant to Government Code §54957.6.\nAgency Designated Representatives: City Manager, Maggie Le, Finance Director, Ryan\nSmith, Human Resources Director, Carrie Hanes, Community Development Director / Deputy\nCity Manager, Omar Dadabhoy, Attorney for the City, Colin Burns\nEmployee Organizations: Police Officers' Association (POA), Police Officers' Management\nUnit (POMU), Fire Association (FVFA), Fountain Valley Municipal Employees Association\n(Field Services unit), Fountain Valley General Employees Association (FVGEA), Fountain\nValley Professional and Technical Employees (P&T), Individually Represented Battalion\nChiefs and Individually Represented P&T (IRP&T)\nNo Reportable Action

2. CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS\nPursuant to Government Code §54957.6.\nAgency Designated Representatives: City Manager, Maggie Le, Attorney for the City, Colin\nBurns\nEmployee Organizations: Administrative Officers\nNo Reportable Action

3. CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL--EXISTING LITIGATION\n(Paragraph (1) of subdivision (d) of Section 54956.9)\nName of case: Dish Networks v. City of Fountain Valley\nNo Reportable Action\nPage 5

4. CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL--ANTICIPATED LITIGATION\nSignificant exposure to litigation pursuant to paragraph (2) of subdivision (d) of Section 54956.9:\n(1 Potential Case)\nNo Reportable Action\nSTUDY SESSION

10. OWNERSHIP OF DOCUMENTS\n(a) CONSULTANT shall maintain complete and accurate records with respect to\nthe plans, specifications, estimates, drawings, design calculations, letters, reports, testing\nresults, and other such information including as-built records as required by CITY that relate\nto the performance of services under this AGREEMENT. CONSULTANT shall maintain\nadequate records of services provided in sufficient detail to permit an evaluation of services.\nAll such records shall be maintained in accordance with generally accepted accounting\nprinciples and shall be clearly identified and readily accessible. CONSULTANT shall provide\nfree access to the representatives of CITY or its designees at reasonable times to such books\nand records; shall give CITY the right to examine and audit said books and records; shall\npermit CITY to make copies and transcripts therefrom as necessary; and shall allow\ninspection of all work, data, documents, proceedings, and activities related to this\nAGREEMENT. Such records, together with supporting documents, shall be maintained for a\nperiod of three (3) years after receipt of final payment.\nPage 36\nPlaceworks Contract\n16300 Euclid Street – Euclid & Heil Residential Project\nPage 5 of 18\n(b) Upon completion, termination, or suspension of this AGREEMENT all plans,\nspecifications, engineer’s estimates, and other documents prepared in the course of\nproviding the services to be performed pursuant to this AGREEMENT shall become the sole\nproperty of CITY and may be used, reused, or otherwise disposed of by CITY without the\npermission of CONSULTANT.\nWith respect to computer files, CONSULTANT shall make available to CITY, at\nCONSULTANT’s office and upon reasonable written request by CITY, the necessary\ncomputer software and hardware for purposes of accessing, compiling, transferring, and\nprinting computer files.

11. INDEMNIFICATION\n(a) Indemnification for Professional Liability.\n(i) Indemnification for Professional Liability Generally. When the law\nestablishes a professional standard of care for CONSULTANT’s services, to the fullest\nextent permitted by law, CONSULTANT shall indemnify, protect, defend, and hold\nharmless CITY and any and all of its officials, employees, and agents (“INDEMNIFIED\nPARTIES”) from and against any and all losses, liabilities, damages, costs, and\nexpenses, including attorney’s fees and costs to the extent the same are caused in whole\nor in part by any negligent or wrongful act, error, or omission of CONSULTANT, its\nofficers, agents, employees, or subconsultants (or any entity or individual that\nCONSULTANT shall bear the legal liability thereof) in the performance of professional\nservices under this AGREEMENT.\n(ii) Indemnification for Services of a Design Professional. If this\nAGREEMENT is for design professional services, CONSULTANT’s duty to defend,\nindemnity, and hold CITY harmless for CONSULTANT’s design professional liability shall\nbe as provided in this paragraph. To the fullest extent permitted by law, CONSULTANT\nshall indemnify, protect, defend, and hold harmless INDEMNIFIED PARTIES from and\nagainst any and all losses, liabilities, damages, costs, expenses, and claims, including\nattorney’s fees and costs, to the extent the same arise out of, pertain to, or relate to the\nnegligence, recklessness, or willful misconduct of the CONSULTANT. In no event shall\nthe cost to defend charged to the CONSULTANT exceed the CONSULTANT’S\nproportionate percentage of fault. CONSULTANT shall not be liable for any injuries or\nproperty damage resulting from the reuse of the design at a location other than that\nspecified in this AGREEMENT without the written consent of CONSULTANT.\n(b) Indemnification for Other Than Professional Liability. Other than in the\nperformance of professional services and to the full extent permitted by law, CONSULTANT\nshall indemnify, defend, and hold harmless CITY, and any and all of its employees, officials,\nand agents from and against any liability (including liability for claims, suits, actions,\narbitration proceedings, administrative proceedings, regulatory proceedings, losses,\nexpenses, or costs of any kind, whether actual, alleged, or threatened, including attorney’s\nfees and costs, court costs, interest, defense costs, and expert witness fees), where the\nsame arise out of, are a consequence of, or are in any way attributable to, in whole or in\nPage 37\nPlaceworks Contract\n16300 Euclid Street – Euclid & Heil Residential Project\nPage 6 of 18\npart, the performance of this AGREEMENT by CONSULTANT or by any individual or entity\nfor which CONSULTANT is legally liable, including but not limited to officers, agents,\nemployees, or subconsultants of CONSULTANT.\n(c) General Indemnification Provisions. CONSULTANT agrees to obtain executed\nindemnity agreements with provisions identical to those set forth here in this section from\neach subconsultant or any other person or entity involved by, for, with or on behalf of\nCONSULTANT in the performance of this AGREEMENT.\nIn the event CONSULTANT fails to obtain such indemnity obligations from others as required\nhere, CONSULTANT agrees to be fully responsible according to the terms of this section.\nFailure of CITY to monitor compliance with these requirements imposes no additional\nobligations on CITY and will in no way act as a waiver of any rights hereunder. This obligation\nto indemnify and defend CITY as set forth here is binding on the successors, assigns, or\nheirs of CONSULTANT and shall survive the termination of this AGREEMENT or this section.\nNothing in this indemnity shall be construed as authorizing any award of attorney’s fees in\nany action on or to enforce the terms of this Indemnity or AGREEMENT. This indemnity shall\napply to all claims and liability regardless of whether any insurance policies are applicable.\n(d) Indemnity Provisions for Contracts Related to Construction. This paragraph\napplies only when this AGREEMENT is related to construction. Without affecting the rights\nof CITY under any provision of this AGREEMENT, CONSULTANT shall not be required to\nindemnify and hold harmless CITY for liability attributable to the active negligence of CITY,\nprovided such active negligence is determined by agreement between the parties or by the\nfindings of a court of competent jurisdiction. In instances where CITY is shown to have been\nactively negligent and where CITY’s active negligence accounts for only a percentage of the\nliability involved, the obligation of CONSULTANT will be for that entire portion or percentage\nof liability not attributable to the active negligence of CITY.

12. INSURANCE\nPrior to performing any work or receiving any compensation under this\nAGREEMENT, CONSULTANT shall obtain, and thereafter maintain for the duration of this\nAGREEMENT, insurance coverage as specified in Exhibit B, attached hereto and\nincorporated herein as though set forth in full.

13. WARRANTY FOR GOODS\n(a) If this AGREEMENT includes the purchase of equipment, supplies, or chattel\n(hereafter “GOODS”), CONSULTANT shall provide the following warranty of said GOODS,\nor obtain a warranty from the manufacturer and/or retailer with provisions equal to or\nexceeding those specified in this Section. In the event the manufacturer’s warranty or\nretailer’s warranty do not equal or exceed the protections specified in this Section,\nCONSUTLANT agrees to provide said warranty protections. The warranty described\nhereunder extends to the original purchaser of the GOODS warranted under the warranty,\nand to each transferee owner of the GOODS. The term of this warranty begins on the date\nthe GOODS are delivered to CITY, and continues therefrom. CONSULTANT warrants that:\nPage 38\nPlaceworks Contract\n16300 Euclid Street – Euclid & Heil Residential Project\nPage 7 of 18\n(1) The GOODS will function properly under normal use, will be of good\nworkmanship, free from defect, of merchantable quality, and fit for CITY’s intended use;\n(2) The GOODS will fully comply with any specifications provided by CITY\nand any samples or documentation provided by CONSULTANT;\n(3) The GOODS will be free of any security interests, liens, or\nencumbrances and CONSULTANT has title to the GOODS;\n(4) The GOODS will not violate any intellectual property rights of any third\nparty;\n(5) The GOODS will be delivered free of the rightful claim of a third person\nby way of infringement; and\n(6) The GOODS are merchantable in accordance with Commercial Code\nSection 2314.\n(b) The warranty listed above is in addition to any other warranties made by\nCONSULTANT, the manufacturer, retailer, or imposed by law. All warranties will survive\ninspection and payment by CITY and are assignable to CITY’s successors and assigns. If\nany GOODS do not meet the warranty, CITY may, at CITY’s option, and without additional\ncost to CITY:\n(1) Require CONSULTANT to repair or replace the GOODS until the\nGOODS meet the warranty. If CONSULTANT cannot replace the GOODS and repair either\nis not commercially practicable or cannot be made within three (3) days, CONSULTANT will\nrefund the purchase price;\n(2) Return any of the GOODS to CONSULTANT at CONSULTANT’s\nexpense for a full refund;\n(3) Correct the nonconformance and charge CONSULTANT for the costs\nto make the correction; or\n(4) Engage a third party to provide substitute GOODS and charge\nCONSULTANT for the costs of obtaining the substitute GOODS from the third party.

14. INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR\n(a) CONSULTANT is and shall at all times remain as to the CITY a wholly\nindependent contractor. The personnel performing the services under this AGREEMENT on\nbehalf of CONSULTANT shall at all times be under CONSULTANT's exclusive direction and\ncontrol. Neither CITY nor any of its officers, employees, or agents shall have control over the\nconduct of CONSULTANT or any of CONSULTANT's officers, employees, or agents, except\nas set forth in this AGREEMENT. CONSULTANT shall not at any time or in any manner\nrepresent that it or any of its officers, employees, or agents are in any manner officers,\nPage 39\nPlaceworks Contract\n16300 Euclid Street – Euclid & Heil Residential Project\nPage 8 of 18\nemployees, or agents of the CITY. CONSULTANT shall not incur or have the power to incur\nany debt, obligation, or liability whatsoever against CITY, or bind CITY in any manner.\n(b) No employee benefits shall be available to CONSULTANT in connection with\nthe performance of this AGREEMENT. Except for the fees paid to CONSULTANT as\nprovided in this AGREEMENT, CITY shall not pay salaries, wages, or other compensation\nto CONSULTANT for performing services hereunder for CITY. CITY shall not be liable for\ncompensation or indemnification to CONSULTANT for injury or sickness arising out of\nperforming services hereunder.\nIn addition to the indemnification provisions of Section 11, CONSULTANT shall indemnify,\ndefend, and hold CITY harmless from claims or liability arising from CONSULTANT’s\nemployees for CITY benefits including, but not limited to, pension, health benefits, holiday,\nvacations, etc.

15. LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES\nCONSULTANT shall keep itself informed of State and Federal laws and regulations\nwhich in any manner affect those employed by it or in any way affect the performance of its\nservice pursuant to this AGREEMENT. CONSULTANT shall always observe and comply\nwith all such laws and regulations. CITY, and its officers and employees, shall not be liable\nat law or in equity occasioned by failure of CONSULTANT to comply with this Section.

16. POLITICAL REFORM ACT\nIf the Political Reform Act requires CONSULTANT to file a Form 700, then\nCONSULTANT must file a Form 700 with full disclosure within 30 days of assuming office\nand thereafter must file an annual statement for each calendar year of this AGREEMENT.

17. UNDUE INFLUENCE\nCONSULTANT declares and warrants that no undue influence or pressure is used\nagainst or in concert with any officer or employee of CITY about the award, terms, or\nimplementation of this AGREEMENT, including any method of coercion, confidential financial\narrangement, or financial inducement. No officer or employee of the CITY will receive\ncompensation, directly or indirectly, from CONSULTANT, or from any officer, employee, or\nagent of CONSULTANT, in connection with the award of this AGREEMENT or any work to\nbe conducted as a result of this AGREEMENT. Violation of this section shall be a material\nbreach of this AGREEMENT entitling CITY to any and all remedies at law or in equity.

18. NO BENEFIT TO ARISE TO LOCAL EMPLOYEES\nNo member, officer, or employee of CITY, or their designees or agents, and no\npublic official who exercises authority over or responsibilities with respect to the project during\nhis/her tenure or for one year thereafter, shall have any interest, direct or indirect, in any\nagreement or sub-agreement, or the proceeds thereof, for work to be performed in\nconnection with this AGREEMENT.\nPage 40\nPlaceworks Contract\n16300 Euclid Street – Euclid & Heil Residential Project\nPage 9 of 18

19. RELEASE OF INFORMATION / CONFLICTS OF INTEREST\n(a) All information gained by CONSULTANT in performance of this AGREEMENT\nshall be considered confidential and shall not be released by CONSULTANT without CITY’s\nprior written authorization. CONSULTANT, its officers, employees, agents, or\nsubconsultants, shall not without written authorization from the City Manager or unless\nrequested by the Attorney for the City, voluntarily provide declarations, letters of support,\ntestimony at depositions, response to interrogatories, or other information concerning the\nwork performed under this AGREEMENT or relating to any project or property located within\nthe CITY. Response to a subpoena or court order shall not be considered "voluntary"\nprovided CONSULTANT gives CITY notice of such court order or subpoena.\n(b) CONSULTANT shall promptly notify CITY should CONSULTANT, its officers,\nemployees, agents, or subconsultants be served with any summons, complaint, subpoena,\nnotice of deposition, request for documents, interrogatories, requests for admissions, or other\ndiscovery request, court order, or subpoena from any person or party regarding this\nAGREEMENT and the work performed thereunder or with respect to any project or property\nlocated within the CITY. CITY retains the right, but has no obligation, to represent\nCONSULTANT and/or be present at any deposition, hearing, or similar proceeding.\nCONSULTANT agrees to cooperate fully with CITY and to provide the opportunity to review\nany response to discovery requests provided by CONSULTANT. However, CITY's right to\nreview any such response does not imply or mean the right by CITY to control, direct, or\nrewrite said response.

2. Receive and File the Draft Minutes of the March 5, 2024 Regular City Council Meeting\nACTION: Move to Receive and File the Draft Minutes of the March 5, 2024 Regular City\nCouncil Meeting\nMOTION: Constantine SECOND: Harper\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nPage 7\nABSTAIN: None

20. SECURITY OF INFORMATION\nCONSULTANT shall identify reasonably foreseeable internal and external risks to\nthe privacy and security of personal information acquired during performance of this\nAGREEMENT that could result in the unauthorized disclosure, misuse, alteration,\ndestruction, or other compromise of the information. CONSULTANT shall regularly assess\nthe sufficiency of any safeguards and information security awareness training in place to\ncontrol reasonably foreseeable internal and external risks, and evaluate and adjust those\nsafeguards considering the assessment.

21. NOTICES\nAny notices which either party may desire to give to the other party under this\nAGREEMENT must be in writing and may be given either by (i) personal service, (ii)\ndelivery by a reputable document delivery service, such as but not limited to, Federal\nExpress, which provides a receipt showing date and time of delivery, or (iii) mailing in the\nUnited States Mail, certified mail, postage prepaid, return receipt requested, addressed\nto the address of the party as set forth below or at any other address as that party may later\ndesignate by notice:\nPage 41\nPlaceworks Contract\n16300 Euclid Street – Euclid & Heil Residential Project\nPage 10 of 18\nCITY CONSULTANT\nCity of Fountain Valley Placeworks\n10200 Slater Avenue 3 MacArthur Place, Suite 1100\nFountain Valley, California 92708 Santa Ana, CA 92707\nAttention: City Clerk Attention: Malia Durand

22. ASSIGNMENT\nCONSULTANT shall not assign the performance of this AGREEMENT, nor any part thereof,\nnor any monies due hereunder, without the prior written consent of CITY.\n[ Check if Applicaple ☒ ] CONSULTANT shall provide CITY fourteen (14) days’ notice\nprior to the departure of any key personnel from CONSULTANT’s employ. Should key\npersonnel leave CONSULTANT’s employ, CITY shall have the option to immediately\nterminate this AGREEMENT, within three (3) days of the close of said notice period. Upon\ntermination of this AGREEMENT, CONSULTANT’s sole compensation shall be payment for\nactual services performed up to, and including, the date of termination or as may be otherwise\nagreed to in writing between the City Council and CONSULTANT.\n[ Check if applicable ☒ ] Because of the personal nature of the services to be rendered\npursuant to this AGREEMENT, only Phil Martin & Associates, LLC. (“PRINCIPAL”) shall\nperform the services described in this AGREEMENT. PRINCIPAL may use assistants, under\nhis/her direct supervision, to perform some of the services under this AGREEMENT.\nCONSULTANT shall provide CITY fourteen (14) days’ notice prior to the departure of\nPRINCIPLE from CONSULTANT’s employ. Should he or she leave CONSULTANT's\nemploy, CITY shall have the option to immediately terminate this AGREEMENT, within three\n(3) days of the close of said notice period. Upon termination of this AGREEMENT,\nCONSULTANT’s sole compensation shall be payment for actual services performed up to,\nand including, the date of termination or as may be otherwise agreed to in writing between\nCITY and CONSULTANT.

23. LICENSES\nAt all times during the term of this AGREEMENT, CONSULTANT shall have in full\nforce and effect, all licenses required of it by law for the performance of the services described\nin this AGREEMENT including, but not limited to, a Fountain Valley business license.

24. GOVERNING LAW\nCITY and CONSULTANT understand and agree that the laws of the State of\nCalifornia shall govern the rights, obligations, duties, and liabilities of the parties to this\nAGREEMENT and also govern the interpretation of this AGREEMENT. Any litigation\nconcerning this AGREEMENT shall take place in Orange County Superior Court or Central\nDistrict of California Federal District Court.\nPage 42\nPlaceworks Contract\n16300 Euclid Street – Euclid & Heil Residential Project\nPage 11 of 18

25. ENTIRE AGREEMENT\nThis AGREEMENT contains the entire understanding between the parties relating\nto the obligations of the parties described in this AGREEMENT. All prior or contemporaneous\nagreements, understandings, representations, and statements, oral or written, are merged\ninto this AGREEMENT and shall be of no further force or effect. Each party is entering this\nAGREEMENT based solely upon the representations set forth herein and upon each party’s\nown independent investigation of any and all facts such party deems material.

26. CONTENTS OF REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL AND PROPOSAL\nCONSULTANT is bound by the contents of CITY’s Request for Proposals and the\ncontents of the Proposal submitted by CONSULTANT. In the event of conflict, this\nAGREEMENT shall take precedence over CITY’s Request for Proposals and\nCONSULTANT’s Proposal; and CITY’s Request for Proposals shall take precedence over\nCONSULTANT’s Proposal. No limitation of CONSULTANT’s liability, waiver of rights of CITY,\nor release of rights or remedies held by CITY, contained in CONSULTANT’s Proposal shall\nbe of any force or effect.

27. INTERPRETATION\nIn the event of conflict or inconsistency between this AGREEMENT and any other\ndocument, including any proposal or Exhibit hereto, this AGREEMENT shall control unless\na contrary intent is clearly stated. This AGREEMENT shall be interpreted as though drafted\nby all parties hereto.

28. MODIFICATION\nNo modification to this AGREEMENT shall be effective unless it is in writing and\nsigned by authorized representatives of the parties hereto. The written modification\nrequirement cannot be waived.

29. ATTORNEY FEES\nIn any action or proceeding brought by either party against the other party arising\nout of or in any way connected to this AGREEMENT, or where any provision hereof is validly\nasserted as a defense, the parties shall bear their own attorney’s fees, costs, and expenses.\nNothing in this provision shall excuse CONSULTANT’s duty to provide CITY with a defense\nat CONSULTANT’s cost when CITY receives a complaint, petition, or other pleading from a\nthird party requiring CITY to defend itself.

3. Approve the City of Fountain Valley Register of Demands for the period of 2/24/2024 to\n3/8/2024\nACTION: Move to Approve the City of Fountain Valley Register of Demands for the period\nof 2/24/2024 to 3/8/2024\nMOTION: Constantine SECOND: Harper\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nABSTAIN: None

4. City of Fountain Valley Six Month Strategic Objectives Update for November 16, 2023 through\nMay 23, 2024.\nACTION: Move to Approve the City of Fountain Valley Six Month Strategic Objectives\nUpdate for November 16, 2023 through May 23, 2024.\nMOTION: Constantine SECOND: Harper\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nABSTAIN: None

5. 2023 Annual State Housing Element Progress Report\nACTION: Move to Approve the 2023 Annual State Housing Element Progress Report\nMOTION: Constantine SECOND: Harper\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nABSTAIN: None\nPUBLIC HEARINGS

6. Introduction and First Read: Code Amendment No. 23-05 – An Amendment To Fountain\nValley Municipal Code Section 21.08.055 For Accessory Dwelling Units (ADU’s)\nPublic Hearing Opened: 6:32 p.m.\nPublic Comments – Katy Wright, Jill Kummen, Lillian Yao, Bill Spear, Mary-Ellen Esquer,\nPage 8\nRudy Huebner\nPublic Hearing Closed: 6:46 p.m.\nACTION: Move to continue this item to the April 16, 2024 regular City Council Meeting\nMOTION: Bui SECOND: Constantine\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nABSTAIN: None

7. Public Hearing: (1) Request to continue item to April 16, 2024 City Council Meeting: First\nRead-Introduction of an Ordinance CA 23-03; to allow freeway oriented signs with a digital\ndisplay on properties meeting certain criteria in the FVCSP\nACTION: Move to continue this item to the April 16, 2024 regular City Council Meeting\nMOTION: Harper SECOND: Constantine\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nABSTAIN: None\nADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS

8. Adopt a Resolution to establish Special Use Permit Application Fee\nACTION: Move to Approve and Adopt a Resolution to establish Special Use Permit\nApplication Fee\nMOTION: Constantine SECOND: Harper\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nABSTAIN: None

9. Approve a Contract for Capital Improve Sourcewell ezIQC CON Horizons Company Int’l for\nIT Dept. Upgrades for $286,282.11. Approve BT from City Hall Security & Accessibility, Proj\n24004, to Server Rm Fire Pre Action Sys (Proj No. 24044) for $167,000.\nACTION: Move to Approve a Contract for Capital Improve Sourcewell ezIQC CON\nHorizons Company Int’l for IT Dept. Upgrades for $286,282.11. Approve BT\nfrom City Hall Security & Accessibility, Proj 24004, to Server Rm Fire Pre\nPage 9\nAction Sys (Proj No. 24044) for $167,000.\nMOTION: Grandis SECOND: Constantine\nAYES: Constantine, Harper, Bui, Grandis\nNOES: None\nABSENT: Cunneen\nABSTAIN: None

1. Employee Engagement Team Presentation on the 4/10 Schedule Pilot Program –\nPresentation by Meghan Wishner, Management Analyst and Jennie Worsham, Community\nServices Manager\nMeghan Wishner presented the findings of the survey and recommendations by the Employee\nEngagement Team to start a pilot program for a 4/10 schedule with an unknown start date as\nlabor negotiations have not been completed. The city council agreed 4-0 to a pilot program with\na duration of 6 months to see how the employees and residents feel about City Hall being closed\nevery Friday. The City Council also requested that comment cards be available outside of City\nHall for residents to comment on the every Friday closure, once the pilot program starts and that\na survey be conducted amongst staff to see how they feel about the 4/10 program after 3\nmonths duration.